Arizona Breakfast Club Aug. 2011 Jennifer Jones and Ed Foster of Quartzsite
Part 1: Introduction with Ernie Hancock and Jennifer Jones
Part 2: Jennifer Jones
Part 3: Jennifer Jones
Part 4: Jennifer Jones and Mayor Foster answer questions
00:32 Joe Winslow states his name and takes the oath.
00:52 Judge presents case of Joe Winslow v Michael Roth. Joe Winslow requests an injunction on harassment against Michael Roth.
01:11 requesting that Michael Roth no longer be able to possess fire arms or ammunition. Requesting Roth to stay away from Winslow’s home and place of work as well as the town hall where council meetings are held.
03:00 Judge ask Winslow if any of the documents are pointed directly at Winslow.
03:05 Winslow then says that he does not believe that there is anything directed at him but say he has “approximately 100 more…the copies are currently at city hall.
04:13 Winslow then tries to correlate Roth with an IRA Bomber.
04:41 Winslow then explains he was told by the Police Chief that was Michael Roth’s Signature. (What Signature?) The signature he is referring to is a screen name on a blog or forum. A screen name cannot identify a person unless the name and the actual post can be traced back to Roth’s computer or network. Many people can have the same screen name but different blogs or forums. In no way is this identifiable to Roth.
05:04 Winslow then says he turned this information over to the FBI.
05:22 Winslow then describes how it is connected to Jennifer Jones arrest.
05:26 Winslow admits he cannot prove it was connected to Jennifer Jones arrest.
05:35 Winslow lies under oath that Jennifer Jones was removed because she became disruptive.
06:02 Winslow says that he is 71 years old and does not want to be a statistic, does not want to go to jail and does not want to go to a hospital.
06:16 Winslow states “based on his history with 24 years in the service. He is more concerned about his reaction to his aggression.
06:33 Winslow states “now he believes Roth has a handgun, his actions have demonstrated in the past that he is not in full control of his emotions. Yet afraid of his own reactions.
07:09 Judge states “usually with harassment injunctions, we need more than one incident and I know you are sitting here and telling me but you are not giving me anything specific he has done towards you.” Winslow: “I can’t do that because it hasn’t happened until now, but they are moving to a different phase, this group that he belongs to, uh, they tried legal means, uh they have tried about everything they can and now they are moving along to the next phase which is confrontational and the final phase would be violence. Hence the samples that you have there, they are contacting people all over the country with similar political beliefs and that’s why we had to declare a “state of emergency” and Mr. Roth is involved in that um there has been several more threats from different people in this organization and I am going to be asking typically the same thing of the court.” The same political belief he shares is that corruption will not last long in the United States and the groups are pro America, none of them to our knowledge are violent, though every individual is different. Winslow has no evidence that the groups Roth is involved with are violent or disruptive, and I believe he is referring to Sunday when Tea Party Patriots headed to Quartzsite to investigate the allegations of corruption and gather statements. That does not sound like a Council needs to declare an emergency unless they are hiding something.
08:32 “I’m not a psychologist or psychiatrist, I have been involved with…. uh” wait I can’t confess I am seeing a psychiatrist now or ever “I have been diagnosed with PTSD and I am a member of the DAV uh, that’s what I am concerned with” He’s concerned of his own PTSD. So don’t piss off Winslow he may PTSD on you. “He is going to get so far into my personal space, I am going to react and uh, without thinking.” “It’s uh I am not making threats or anything.” That is more of a threat than what Winslow presented or is accusing Roth of.
09:07 Judge Says “It’s a possibility that’s on your mind” Winslow “it’s just the way I am, it’s not something I am proud of”
09:16 Winslow describes an incident where Roth was in Winslow’s “space.” An incident where Winslow said Roth blocked his entrance into town hall. Then he describes how Roth was glaring at him one time 4 months ago.
10:30 Winslow describes his time in the military and working for certain government agencies investigating political activist groups and their course of actions before violence. He describes the situation in Quartzsite as getting to that degree. The foreign countries he describes them as Democracies which we have seen in the history do not last. We live in a republic and the minority has a voice. What he doesn’t understand is these “groups” like the Tea Party have been around for a long time, this is not a foreign country and the issue in Quartzsite is not new to them. This is called jumping the gun on the council’s behalf because they know what they have been up to and are afraid, not of violence as he says, but “discovery” if I may put it that way.
12:14 “You know as I say, I don’t want to be in that kind of position where I have to make that kind of decision, I am going to make the wrong one and I am going to end up in the hospital or in prison.”
12:27 “I don’t like firearms which may sound a little strange but after 24 years in the military and working for the Federal government I have nothing against anyone who wants to own a gun…..”
14:27 “I missed my point I was trying to make, I felt it necessary for me to go out and purchase a gun, and I did, I went out and bought a 12 gauge shotgun.” This is coming from someone whose nickname is Machine gun Joe after his comment at town hall. Quartzsite Councilman Joe Winslow earned the nickname “Machine Gun” after he was caught on the town hall microphone before the March 23rd, 2010 town council meeting was called to order saying “I think if we could get all five of them in the front row, we’d just machine gun ’em” Councilman Lukkasson replied “Damn fine idea!”
All of this happened while Roth was out of Town. When he returned he was to disarm himself to the county Sheriffs. No offense to Winslow or any others diagnosed with PTSD as I am too. But the point is that Winslow is using his PTSD as saying he is afraid of himself and is building the case to be as if he is more afraid of hurting someone who angers him than he is of someone hurting him out of anger.
Quartzsite police firings case to move to federal court: posted by Parker Live
In front of a packed courtroom Monday, Judge Randolph Bartlett allowed a hearing on the Quartzsite police officer firings to continue, despite a motion from an attorney for the Town of Quartzsite questioning the legality of the proceedings.
The hearing followed a temporary restraining order issued by Bartlett in recent weeks which ordered the town to reinstate two police officers who were fired following 10 out of 13 police officers being placed on paid administrative leave. The officers had submitted allegations against their police chief Jeff Gilbert.
The Town of Quartzsite argued in court that agreements between employees and employers cannot be the subject of intervention by the court. Bartlett allowed the hearing to proceed.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Quartzsite, Arizona’s “Liberty Fest” is shaping up to be a historic event. The event will center around a non partisan August 27th 10 am banner and flag march to the steps of Quartzsite Town Hall, followed by speeches and a live radio broadcast by Ernest Hancock of “Declare your Independence”. A pot luck dinner gathering will feature live entertainment.
It has just been announced that well known musician and freedom fighter Jordan Page, has been confirmed for Saturday evening, and other artists are currently in negotiation to perform.
The Quartzsite Liberty Festival was inspired by ten members of the Quartzsite Police Department who chose to honor their oath to the Constitution, and ask for a formal criminal and ethical investigation into their boss, Police Chief Jeff Gilbert. Law enforcement officers and patriots from around the country wanted a way to show support for the “Quartzsite 10”, after facts surrounding the actions by town leaders became a national news story.
According to the website for Oath Keepers, “The Quartzsite Liberty Festival will also support the concerned citizenry of Quartzsite, local activists such as grass-roots journalist Jennifer ‘Jade’ Jones, and the town Mayor, the Honorable Ed Foster (a Marine veteran), who have stood up for the free speech rights of the citizens.”
In addition to the Greater Phoenix Tea Party and the Oath Keepers, patriot groups such as the Ron Paul R3volution, Sons of Liberty Riders, Campaign for Liberty and others have RSVP’d for the event.
For more information about the event, contact:
Oath Keepers Board of Directors – Contact Elias Alias
For more information on musician Jordan Page, see:
One question that seems to come up when I discuss the events of Quartzsite to friends and strangers is “how is the Council, Town Manager, and the Chief of Police getting away with all this?” This is not a conspiracy question but a valid question that deserves to be answered. Millions of viewers have see the rights stripped away from average people whose only crime was to question authority and stand up for the liberties of others. Open Meeting laws, ignored; allegations of abuse of power by local appointed officials, ignored; and protection of private property, ignored. How is La Paz county not involved in these matters? Why is Attorney General Tom Horne only looking into Open meeting law violations and why has it taken so long to get an acknowledgment on these issues? Why is media not covering all the allegations listed in the AZCOPS memo? Why is the Chief of Police, Jeff Gilbert, not on administrative leave pending his investigation by AZDPS, admitted by Councilman Lukkason? See video below at the (0:20) mark:
The town council and town manager either have too much conflict of interest as many are business owners or they think there should not be a free market and government needs to decide who can run a business, what type of business, what the city bills will be, and so on and so on. The town council has repeatedly argued such topics as what the sewer and water rates will be for whom or what business, as well as decide who can be issued a business license and for what. Setting such ordinances such as setting a flat rate for all residents and commercial properties is giving the power to the council to make decisions later. This is a display of government intervention without the majority knowledge. Bob Kelley put it the right way. It will work its self out if they are charged by the amount used. This idea is “simple, and solved,” no government intervention later. They open themselves up for discussion and decision of who can get a “break” from paying their bills. Watch how Alex Taft Town Manager repeats herself in regards to a church having to close up part of their building to save energy, water, etc. during low population times in Quartzsite. I have to do the same thing with my home during the summer months as the cost of energy and use sky rockets in the summer here in the desert. I thought this was America where each business, charity, non-profit, is given a chance to make it or fail just like everyone else. This is a process in America we fight to achieve the “American dream” we do not get to ask for handouts or special privileges from the government, regardless of our organization.
If too many businesses are selling propane then the businesses will work things out they do not need the government to say there is too much competition. For example when there are too many businesses selling the same thing one or few will work harder, advertise more, or do something business like to gain those customers and generate revenue. The others will fail on their own without government intervention and hopefully move on to better ideas. This is business in America not the way the council has been displaying their ideas of who can do what, when, and ask for special privileges because they are not doing well. That is NOT the government’s job, it is NOT the councils position to decide. They are in their seats to represent the people and vote for what the majority agrees towards or be recalled from your seat.
The two incidents are not the only displays of government intervention and many more edited videos will follow to compile all the incidents in a much shorter video. Below are videos of the two mentioned incidents.
View minutes at 31:30 to the end. Alex Taft makes a statement about the church at 37:33. Bob Kelley is the only one with a clear head, hear his objection at 38:50. In regards to Alex Taft’s comment she must think that because the church did not come up with a clear business plan for how to react during summer months when the population is low that they should get special privelages from the government. It seems the church has adapted to the situation and would any other business, person, resident would without government intervention.
In video below the agenda begins at 5:59
Council Minutes November 23, 2010
112310 – 5. Discussion and possible approval of Vendor Permit application for Russell E. Neihart, Pima Propane; propane sales, location 600 E. Kuehn St. (C2 Zoning).
Council Member Lukkasson motioned to approve Vendor Permit application for Russell E. Neihart, Pima Propane; propane sales, location 600 E. Kuehn St. (C2 Zoning). Motion seconded by Mayor Foster. Brief discussion regarding Pima Propane having obtained all their permits. Council Member Kelley and Council Member Winslow both opposed to approving this item because of public safety concerns. Mayor Foster calls for a roll call vote. Mayor Foster-aye, Vice Mayor Cowell-aye, Council Member Anderson-aye, Council Member Kelley-nay, Council Member Lizarraga-absent, Council Member Lukkasson-aye and Council Member Winslow-nay. 4 in favor, 2 opposed (Council Members Kelley and Winslow) and 1 member absent. MOTION CARRIED.
LIVE From Quartzsite Monday and Tuesday Noon to 2pm
Tyson’s R.V. Park “Community Room” – 350 W Main Quartzsite, AZ – Noon to 2pm Both Monday and Tuesday – Public invited to attend and peacefully participate.
I’m a retired**** Quartzsite on our long drives between Tucson and Central California. **************. I’ve taken a keen interest in Arizona politics, immigration, and law enforcement issues. Because of what I perceive as a less than favorable climate in Quartzsite, at least partially fostered by Police Chief Jeff Gilbert and his “posse”, I think we will forgo those stops and either stop in Blythe, before we reach Quartzsite, or stretch it a bit further and stop at one of the truck stops or travel centers further down the road. I especially do not want my daughter stopping there alone.
Second, we own a motor home and, in each of the last few years, have spent a few days in Quartzsite during the winter shows. Once again, because of what I perceive as an unprofessional attitude by the Police Chief, who seems more intent on pushing people’s buttons and seeing if he can get a response worthy of an arrest for Disorderly Conduct, refusing to disperse, or other public peace violations, I think we’ve made our last trip to the “Q” until if, and when, there is different leadership in the Quartzsite Police Department. I will encourage anyone and everyone I know to do the same. Even with my years of experience in law enforcement, and knowledge of criminal and constitutional law, powers of arrest, and use of force issues, I don’t want to expose myself or my family to the risk of a run in with what I perceive to be a less than professional police chief or his remaining “yes men”.
Last, as a retired *** Lieutenant who, on any given watch, has supervised far more personnel than Chief Gilbert has on his entire department, I am astounded at the apparent lack of ethics, professionalism, leadership, and supervisory skills he has displayed. What in the heck is he thinking half the time? Was he absent when they taught ethics and professionalism at the academy?
In my former department, any number of the actions that the Jackson/Lewis “investigator” dismissed as minor pranks would be worthy of demotion or even termination. The investigator recommends, “a course on harassment and discrimination issues in the workplace and ….management and sensitivity training.” Imagine that, Jackson/Lewis suggests “harassment, discrimination, management, and sensitivity training” , which they just happen to offer and will give for a fee.
That aside, by the time you reach the position of Chief executive, or even first line management, of any law enforcement agency, anywhere, you should not only be an expert on harassment and discrimination issues but you should be teaching your employees and conducting your own in-service-training classes as well. It would seem that what we have here is a classic example of the Peter Principle in that, “in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.”
In regard to the alleged “investigation” undertaken by the Jackson/Lewis LLP law firm, the city of Quartzsite got the whitewash they bought and paid for. My observations are that Jackson/Lewis does not specialize in the special needs of law enforcement internal affairs investigations. Rather, they specialize in risk management for corporations and municipalities , limiting the damage once offenses have been committed. They list “union avoidance” as one of their specialties. Why in world would you hire a union busting law firm when you are conducting an investigation of claims of misconduct, by unionized law enforcement officers, against their management/supervisor? Is it therefor surprising that their investigation is at odds with the concerns of AZCOPS in regard to the conduct of Chief Gilbert? Per the Jackson/Lewis website, “When complaints arise, we work with clients to take incisive action to effect solutions that minimize costs and maximize results. It would seem that this whole “investigation” was based upon limiting the city’s vicarious liability for the Chief’s actions by saying, “We did something”. It’s always about the money.”
In like manner, it would seem that the “investigator” assigned by Jackson/Lewis is ill equipped to handle what is, in effect, the highly specialized needs of a police internal affairs investigation. Her biography states, “…..focuses her practice on handling a variety of matters in DEFENSE OF EMPLOYERS and MUNICIPALITIES in the areas of harassment, discrimination, wrongful termination, and retaliation and has a particular emphasis on restaurant and retail clients.” (Restaurant and retail clients?) My impression of the “investigation” is that this was clearly a DEFENSE of Chief Gilbert and the City of Quartzsite from start to finish. Rather than an investigation, it reads like a “he said, she said” dispute resolution with the “investigator” alone making the subjective decisions as to who is being truthful and what does, and does not, rise to the level of misconduct.
Because of the unique nature of the job, and the fact that law enforcement officers MUST be held to the highest ethical standards, the threshold for behavior that constitutes misconduct is justifiably lower for peace officers. This is why an investigation of this nature should be conducted by a competent state law enforcement agency….most notably the Attorney General’s office. As I noted before, and even based upon a weak investigation and biased findings of the “investigation” Chief Gilbert would have been subject to discipline and probably termination had he been employed by the *** or any of the agencies for whom I’ve worked.
I can’t fathom how bad things must have gotten in order to motivate not one, but ten Quartzsite Police Department employees, nine of them sworn peace officers, to sign, and publicly submit a vote of no confidence in their Chief. With the full knowledge of what his reaction might be, up to and including the loss of their jobs, why would they do this? Why would they make claims that their Chief was, in fact, violating Arizona and Federal law via harassment, selective enforcement, and misuse of police powers and resources? They have no vested interest in being less than truthful in bringing these charges against their Chief, except perhaps to avoid being implicated in illegal activity by following his illegal orders, whereas he has the vested interest of being less than truthful to evade culpability for his own actions. If I see enough smoke, I’m inclined to believe there is a real fire behind it.
Above all, and without a doubt, there has been a serious lack of leadership at the Quartzsite Police Department and an erosion of public trust. These reasons alone are due cause to terminate Jeff Gilbert’s employment as Chief of Police and any responsible, and functional, municipal government would have done this long ago. For crying out loud, ten city employees, nine of them sworn police officers, have basically flushed their careers down the drain because that was preferable, and more honorable, than continuing to work for this man. Of course, the honorable thing would be for Jeff Gilbert to look at this honestly, and introspectively, admit that he has failed, and resign.
I’ve viewed dozens of the videotaped incidents between Chief Gilbert and members of the public. In some, I’m sure he’s trying to “push someones button” and incite them into responding to his provocations. I absolutely despise this type of policing and feel it’s one of the most unethical behaviors in which a police officer can engage.
These would include his actions at Council Meetings, where he seems to think the “orders” of Council Members (but not the mayor) have precedence over the rule of law, as well as incidents that he alone seems to instigate.
I observed him move to the front of the council chambers, while the AZCOPS representative spoke, with a smug, self satisfied, look on his face and with no other apparent motivation than to harass and intimidate that speaker. His presence, attitude, and demeanor do more to incite the crowd than than the actions of any other individual. I then saw him order his officers to clearly arrest the wrong person…who had, himself, in fact been assaulted.
I’ve seen him go to an RV park, with his faithful minion at his side, with apparently no other motivation other than to harass the resident manager and tell him that he (the Chief) will go into the property any time he desires. By his actions and demeanor it was transparent that he was trying to “get a rise” out of the individual and incite him into an arrestable offense. While he probably has the legal right to go into the park anytime he needs to, for official business, he did not need to repeatedly rub it in the citizens nose. He also could have come, said his piece, and moved on. Instead, he lingers, getting in and out of his car, repeatedly imposing his physical presence and making inflammatory (almost inciteful) statements.
I saw him stand at the front of the council chambers ranting about what he perceives as the warning signs of domestic terrorism, when his very actions and words are the most likely catalyst I’ve seen toward same. I read between the lines when he stared the mayor down and told him, “I am passing this warning on to you.” I didn’t read it as a warning, but as a thinly veiled threat. I’m sure Mayor Foster saw it the same way.
These are just a few of the examples with videotapes online. How many more are there that have not been videotaped?
I started writing this before I had seen Doug MacEachern’s column in the Arizona Republic, “The ‘sane’ person in the room can be a matter of perspective” I have to agree with his closing words, “That’s serious talk. Grim. Sober. Scary in an “angry man with a gun” way”
I used to frequently remind officers on my watch that their ID cards said, “The person identified herein is a State Peace Officer as defined in ********* Penal Code Section XXX.2..” and that since the first word in that title was “Peace” their primary responsibility, above all others, was keeping the peace. I assume that Arizona Peace Officer ID’s carry some sort of similar language.
Chief Gilbert seems to have forgotten this and I can only hope that the ongoing DPS investigation will very forcefully remind him of it.
I don’t care about the underlying politics behind all of this, I only care about what I perceive as the police misconduct, the taint it puts on the brotherhood of law enforcement officers everywhere, and the distrust it fosters in police officers in Quartzsite and beyond.
I thought about this long and hard. I would like to sign this, really I would, but my name is withheld due to the ability, and reported propensity, for the subject herein to access law enforcement databases and subject myself, or my family (one of whom lives 600 miles from home…in Arizona), to possible harassment.