Councilman Joe Winslow v Michael Roth- Exactly who was threatening who?
00:32 Joe Winslow states his name and takes the oath.
00:52 Judge presents case of Joe Winslow v Michael Roth. Joe Winslow requests an injunction on harassment against Michael Roth.
01:11 requesting that Michael Roth no longer be able to possess fire arms or ammunition. Requesting Roth to stay away from Winslow’s home and place of work as well as the town hall where council meetings are held.
03:00 Judge ask Winslow if any of the documents are pointed directly at Winslow.
03:05 Winslow then says that he does not believe that there is anything directed at him but say he has “approximately 100 more…the copies are currently at city hall.
04:13 Winslow then tries to correlate Roth with an IRA Bomber.
04:41 Winslow then explains he was told by the Police Chief that was Michael Roth’s Signature. (What Signature?) The signature he is referring to is a screen name on a blog or forum. A screen name cannot identify a person unless the name and the actual post can be traced back to Roth’s computer or network. Many people can have the same screen name but different blogs or forums. In no way is this identifiable to Roth.
05:04 Winslow then says he turned this information over to the FBI.
05:22 Winslow then describes how it is connected to Jennifer Jones arrest.
05:26 Winslow admits he cannot prove it was connected to Jennifer Jones arrest.
05:35 Winslow lies under oath that Jennifer Jones was removed because she became disruptive.
06:02 Winslow says that he is 71 years old and does not want to be a statistic, does not want to go to jail and does not want to go to a hospital.
06:16 Winslow states “based on his history with 24 years in the service. He is more concerned about his reaction to his aggression.
06:33 Winslow states “now he believes Roth has a handgun, his actions have demonstrated in the past that he is not in full control of his emotions. Yet afraid of his own reactions.
07:09 Judge states “usually with harassment injunctions, we need more than one incident and I know you are sitting here and telling me but you are not giving me anything specific he has done towards you.” Winslow: “I can’t do that because it hasn’t happened until now, but they are moving to a different phase, this group that he belongs to, uh, they tried legal means, uh they have tried about everything they can and now they are moving along to the next phase which is confrontational and the final phase would be violence. Hence the samples that you have there, they are contacting people all over the country with similar political beliefs and that’s why we had to declare a “state of emergency” and Mr. Roth is involved in that um there has been several more threats from different people in this organization and I am going to be asking typically the same thing of the court.” The same political belief he shares is that corruption will not last long in the United States and the groups are pro America, none of them to our knowledge are violent, though every individual is different. Winslow has no evidence that the groups Roth is involved with are violent or disruptive, and I believe he is referring to Sunday when Tea Party Patriots headed to Quartzsite to investigate the allegations of corruption and gather statements. That does not sound like a Council needs to declare an emergency unless they are hiding something.
08:32 “I’m not a psychologist or psychiatrist, I have been involved with…. uh” wait I can’t confess I am seeing a psychiatrist now or ever “I have been diagnosed with PTSD and I am a member of the DAV uh, that’s what I am concerned with” He’s concerned of his own PTSD. So don’t piss off Winslow he may PTSD on you. “He is going to get so far into my personal space, I am going to react and uh, without thinking.” “It’s uh I am not making threats or anything.” That is more of a threat than what Winslow presented or is accusing Roth of.
09:07 Judge Says “It’s a possibility that’s on your mind” Winslow “it’s just the way I am, it’s not something I am proud of”
09:16 Winslow describes an incident where Roth was in Winslow’s “space.” An incident where Winslow said Roth blocked his entrance into town hall. Then he describes how Roth was glaring at him one time 4 months ago.
10:30 Winslow describes his time in the military and working for certain government agencies investigating political activist groups and their course of actions before violence. He describes the situation in Quartzsite as getting to that degree. The foreign countries he describes them as Democracies which we have seen in the history do not last. We live in a republic and the minority has a voice. What he doesn’t understand is these “groups” like the Tea Party have been around for a long time, this is not a foreign country and the issue in Quartzsite is not new to them. This is called jumping the gun on the council’s behalf because they know what they have been up to and are afraid, not of violence as he says, but “discovery” if I may put it that way.
12:14 “You know as I say, I don’t want to be in that kind of position where I have to make that kind of decision, I am going to make the wrong one and I am going to end up in the hospital or in prison.”
12:27 “I don’t like firearms which may sound a little strange but after 24 years in the military and working for the Federal government I have nothing against anyone who wants to own a gun…..”
14:27 “I missed my point I was trying to make, I felt it necessary for me to go out and purchase a gun, and I did, I went out and bought a 12 gauge shotgun.” This is coming from someone whose nickname is Machine gun Joe after his comment at town hall. Quartzsite Councilman Joe Winslow earned the nickname “Machine Gun” after he was caught on the town hall microphone before the March 23rd, 2010 town council meeting was called to order saying “I think if we could get all five of them in the front row, we’d just machine gun ’em” Councilman Lukkasson replied “Damn fine idea!”
All of this happened while Roth was out of Town. When he returned he was to disarm himself to the county Sheriffs. No offense to Winslow or any others diagnosed with PTSD as I am too. But the point is that Winslow is using his PTSD as saying he is afraid of himself and is building the case to be as if he is more afraid of hurting someone who angers him than he is of someone hurting him out of anger.